could actually do something like that we recommended, you know, depending on what politically bract cal to get done, what we can actually eliminate. but you can eliminate a lot of these tax expenditures, broaden the base, simplify the code and bring down ritts. >> who in the base would go for that? that would be -- have you heard anyone in the president's base that would go for that? >> yeah, they would. not to say it's not difficult, it's not hard. we proved that people like dick durbin would move forward. >> i know. that's great. i know. durbin has risen above. he's risen above. >> he really has. >> yeah. >> we thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. i enjoyed it. >> we appreciate your helping us navigate what is an incredibly difficult thing for us to understand but you make it seem very, very easy. thank you, erskine. >> okay. good. stay at it. let's rise above. >> thanks. >> using 23 from now. >> that's zeroing out everything. earned income credit, the -- >> i'm going to stay 23, and i'm going to have a sound bite. you have questions, or comments, about -- kayla, you're ba